Jackie, Tanya, Chal

Side A

Stuart:  I'll go over again what we are doing, I am doing a Ph.D. in grad school, in learning science by doing work, particularly in the community that is not involved in schools or institutions.   How are people learning by doing things? how does science help you get through your life? y?know just average everyday stuff.  So I have been working with the Hagan Creek Group, with Misty basically, and volunteering, and I have been learning an awful lot, watching, listening and taking notes of what the people have been doing.  And so as the last kinda section of my little research project I have been doing interviews with people.  So I thought well it would be nice to kinda get beyond the small group of people that I have know in the Hagen Creek Group and find some other people that have been involved in creek work and see how that, how the stuff that you have been doing has effected your lives and what you think you have learned, how valuable the experience has been to you.

Girl 1: So we are focusing more on the stream, is that what we are doing?  Or

Stuart:  Or what else?

Girl 1:  We are kind of in two projects, we are the Streamkeepers and we are into the Shorekeepers right now.

Stuart:  Either one, both.  I am more interested in general scientific stuff, it could be stream, it could be shore, it could be, science from me is really, really  broad, it gets into almost everything, so? 

Frances:  It is more like a casual conversation that we are having more than an interview session where we ask questions, so we can go in whatever direction you want, it doesn?t matter.  Talk about whatever you want.

Stuart:  People talk about their volunteering activities in hospitals, in farms, people have talked about history, whatever.  So how did you guys get involved in this?

Girl I:  Through the Tseycum Band

Stuart:  Through the Tseycum Band

Girl 1:  We started out with concerns about our creek, on Tseycum Creek there.  We have two creeks, Tseycum creek is more by the village there and T?en t?en by the airport there and that is where we came in working with the science, DFO with Chief, he is the one that got us more involved. 

Frances:  So what was the concerns then?

Girl 1:  The current concerns where that the water quality, the water wasn?t very good at all.  And a big concern was that we seen a fish come up our creek there and so that?s where we wanted to get people working in there, checking out the water quality,and..  Up further up Tseycum creek the water was good there and it was just down by the shore that it wasn?t very good.

Stuart:  OK

Girl 1:  From then on we started a project, Streamkeepers, we were hired and went through training with Streamkeepers, it was all new to us [S: right on] when we first started out.    And we.. the first thing we started building four pool riffles, and spawning areas in those areas because the water quality was good there.

Stuart:  What kind of salmon, this was for salmon not trout right, the spawning areas, was it for coho or chum.

Girl 2:  It was for chum about 100,000 frys has been put in, [F: oh wow] in the past two years, more this year.

Stuart:  And you starting seeing your first chum back in two years, two more years?

Girl 1:  Yeah. So that?s going to be exciting, seeing how many will come back. [laugh]

Stuart:  And use your gravel. [G1/G2: laugh] So guys started working with Chris

Girl 1:  Yes Chris Parks.  The first summer.  We haven?t been working with Streamkeepers too much. 

G2: Not right into the creek but other areas within the creek.

Stuart:  So what are you involved with now.

Girl 2:  We are with Shorekeepers.

Stuart:  So like we did what we did

Girl 2:  Survey, inner tidal, things like that.  Re-surveyed what we did last year there was some sites we went back to re-survey to see if there was uhh a change, in a few areas we did there was a change four habitat in four different areas. 

Stuart:  That is neat

Frances:  It is neat to see stuff happening because what you have been involved with.  Changes and stuff.

Girls:  Yeah

Girl 2:  The plan was with uhh Streamkeepers, umm part of the vision was to start working on those two creeks.  And uhh for the future when we can have those fish coming back up because the history was with those two creeks that it was that they had a little big house built there at one time and a lot of our ancestors use to use those creeks for washing clothes, water and different things.  And um [ceremonies] ceremonies, there was ceremonies in that location so what we wanted to do was to bring back a lot of that life that was there.  And it was the start when us ladies started working on those two creeks.

Girl 1:  It was a really good feeling being back in that area.

Stuart:  I was going to say that must feel great knowing that you are tying back in with your history.  [G: mm hmm}You guys are getting involved with something with Ian right now?

Girls 3:  Yes, Streamkeepers

Stuart:  As Streamkeepers, so what is that going to be, can you tell me about that?  Something with IOS and Brian Smiley and all those guys.  I?ve just heard little bits and pieces.

Girl 2:  We are working with Ian as Shorekeepers, Brian Smiley are?.yeah, for Shorekeepers.

Stuart:  Are you involved in his wetland reconstruction stuff at all? 

Girl 1:  Not too much we are in different areas with umm Ian right now.  Like say fencing we have did, [laughs]

G2: fencing, asphalt, taking a lot of asphalt out of the creek out towards the airport, there. T?en Ten airport.  Went back there and discovered there was tons of asphalt in the creek, so that was one thing that we were doing was

taking a lot of it out.

Frances:  Definitely hands on [laughter]

G2: Yes, exactly, it was like whoa hoe! [everyone laughs]

Girl 3;  It was leaving like it was like a pollution

Stuart:  I wonder where they take it to, or do they just burn it.

Girl 3:  They haven?t done anything with it yet, it is still there.

Stuart:  Oh, it is still there.

Girl 3:  (63) ??????  water there, it is just a pile

Girl 1:  There is a lot of clearing, a lot of clearing that we did taking all that out of the creek.  Between Streamkeepers and Shorekeepers it is like ! [laughter] a lot of back and forth

Girl 2:  We need you here we need you there!

Girl 1:  So we said, we need a schedule, [laughing] so know there is a schedule for us. [laughs] Now we can make demands [laughing]

Girl 2:  Cuz uh it was some days it was just you are here, you are there, and it was

Stuart:  So you have a whole bunch on things on the go all the time

Girls:  Yeah we do

Stuart:  What are some of the other things you do, pullin? asphalt

Girl 2:  Clean the T?en t?en Creek, like all the blackberries, [S; right on] cleared that out and then we planted native shrubs and native plants.

Stuart:  Where abouts?

Girl 2:  T?en t?en Creek

Stuart:  Where abouts in T?en t?en

Girl 1:  Right at the mouth of the creek there.

Stuart:  Right by West Saanich Road there?

Girl 1:  On the west side

Stuart: That is a big job.  (laughter) There are a lot of blackberries there.

Girl 3:  At first we thought, we are not going to make it here.  One day we all went swish, swish, swish, cut it all down.  Took it out and planted

Girl 1:  Roots and all.  It was a very good feeling after we got all the blackberries out and pulled the roots out and raked the area so it was a total clear area we got to plant rose bushes and all the native plants so once we got them all planted we were like whoa we did a good job here. [laughing]

Girl 2:  They are that small, now they are getting to that big.

Stuart:  So they are doing well?

Girls:  Yeah

Stuart:  Do you have to water them right now?

Girls:  Yeah

Stuart:  For the first year or two.

Frances:   Are you taking photo of all of this, or videos? [G: yeah] I hope so.

Girls:  Yeah, Ian took a picture before, and as it was growing.

Stuart:  Have you guys done any educating of kids?   Went to schools or anything?

Girl 2:  We did one with Shorekeepers in Ross Bay, junior Shorekeepers.

Stuart: Junior shorekeepers So what was that like?

Girl 3:  It was fun, [S: laughs a ?knowing? laugh] it was a lot of fun for us but like there was only five or six students that were really into it but as for the rest they were just like      [la de da

Frances:  You were doing [really well if you had five or six OK, I?m a classroom teacher, I know. [lots of laughter..]

G: out of the whole. Out of all of that whole class.

Stuart:  How many were in that class, like thirty odd?

Girl 3:  About there yeah, about 20 and 30, we had two different classes

Stuart: Ok, yeah.. I find the same, most kids, are like ?oh I?m outside..?

Girl 1:  The first day went really well, like a lot of kids were really interested in writing and...

Stuart:  So did you get them making quadrants and all that stuff?

Girls: Yeah

Stuart:  Any survey

Girl 3:  Slope and elevation.  Treasure Hunt.

Stuart:  What were they looking for?

Girl 2:  We were separated between different ones, the guy who did the treasure hunt, he did that by himself

Girl 1:  It was an area where there was a lot of species and different habitat and stuff there.  So it was pretty much ?what I can see? so they would go and find it and ?hey what?s this?. [laugh] That was the fun part for them.

Stuart:  I guess the surveying would be the boring part.

Girl 1: [laughs]  Then next week we would start 18 always for a good three weeks, we?re gonna be teaching  the Tseycum band were we are from, we would be teaching, forest, ecology, and um Streamkeepers, Shorekeepers, [S; wow F: that?s great]  And it?s gonna, it?s a training for us in that we could? because we?re gonna be the ones that are going to be training people for Shorekeepers, so it?s going to be experience for us because we really haven?t spoken.

Stuart:  You have done it a fair amount [G: yeah, yeah] but you haven?t taught people yet. [G: yeah] Wow, that?ll be great.

Frances:  Once you get into it, [G: yeah] because you?ve all the experience behind you now, once you start talking, [G: yeah] you get into your own stories about what you do, and all that kinda thing [G yeah] is what everyone wants to hear. 

Girl 1:  Me I couldn?t ???? (106)

Stuart:  So you think the kids?ll be interested?

Girl 1:  I think they would, yeah, there is a group of seven from age twelve to fifteen years old, they are on the  cycle youth summer program right now and we?ve kind of got them involved in a little bit of what we are doing in this area.  Because they are our younger generation too and later on they are going to continue on with Streamkeepers, and we?ll have some out there taking care of those fish.  Same with the beach area.

Girl 2:  Hopefully getting them interested.

Frances:  So you went through training, like I?m new to this project so I am just finding out all the background stuff that is going on? who did your training and what kind of things did you have before?  Like how, cuz I don?t know anywhere, Do you have a science background or did you just have an interest?

Girl 2:  I had an interest and it is pretty much learning hands on experience right now, we?ll be continuing on with school in September, we?ll get to go to school 2 1/2 days a week, upgrading, schooling there? Math, English.  Hopefully it will take us 1 1/2, 2 years then we will be able to train, we will do a lot of side courses, workshops, meeting a lot of scientists, learning more about eco (121) and stuff, just learning about things that will help us.

Stuart:  Sounds like a great program, just to be able to  hang out with scientists.

Girl 1:  It is

Stuart:  You pick up so much just being with them.

Girl 1:  It started out like ?a job? when we first started and it is just like a child, you know, grabbed our interest and we were interested. It was a place where we grew up, the beach, we were always down the beach when we were kids.  We grew up in this area out in the forest, by the streams, you know that was our little playground and stuff.  Yeah, let?s go see what?s out here, wander around out there, see what we can see y?know  There was eagles, there was hawks, little squirrels, y?know.  All the little animals out there.

Girl 2:  It?s just, It?s all natural to me, I love the area, I love being outside. [laughs] What better can you get.

Stuart:  Sounds pretty sweet.

Girl 3:  Ian is the one that brought in that we should be not just working, but work our way up and be able to train people.  At first this year we thought we were just going to be doing the work.  And he brought it on that we should further our education and be able to supervise and train.

Stuart:  What do you think, obviously you think guys think that that?s pretty good.

Girl 3:  I do.

Girl 1:  It is a great opportunity, with the Shorekeepers it is, there is a lot of people who are interested in title, survey title, it is kind of going all over the world there. [laughs] So many people are interested in it.  Shorekeepers is coming out

Stuart:  It?s going to be important more and more with all the restoration that is going to have to go on.  Shores and streams.  So what kind of knowledge did you have before you started about the stream. Y?know about the animals and stuff like that?

Girl 2:  I didn?t know too much at all and they said we were going to be cleaning the creek, it was like Ohh, OK we can take logs and everything all out o? there. You know it?s like we didn?t know too much at all. [laughs] I figured we would take garbage and all that out of there, but I learned a lot what has to stay in that creek and why and how to protect and?.

Girl 3:  Char and I spend a good 2 –2 1/2 weeks taking ivy, ivy off the trees so that the trees could grow again.  Instead of planting a tree and waiting 30 years for it to come back or it to grow up.

Stuart:  If it didn?t get choked by the ivy first. Yeah, so that?s cool. So that was on..on?

Girl 1:  Tseycum Creek

Stuart: Tseycum Creek, right. That?s a good idea, yeah, that stuff gets all over the place.

Girl 3:  There was approximately 60 trees that we took it off.  Little trees to big trees

Stuart:  Did you have to get like ladders or just cut the roots off?

Girl 3:  Just cut them off at the bottom and pulled them off away from the tree, most of it.  Most of it we just pulled off away from the tree, and we cleared it away so it wouldn?t grow again.  This year we saw what we missed.

Frances: [laughs] Oh great

Girl 3:  see some green was there but we got most of them

Stuart:  Oh good, it must feel satisfying?

Girl 1: [laughs] Then after people finding out about that you could see them walking down our trail there and they were starting picking ivy off the trees.

Frances:  On West Saanich Road there, interesting

Girl 1:  Now you can see all the ivy has brown leaves.

Stuart: Oh, Right on

Girl 3:  Glad people were reading about us.

Frances:  That?s great yeah

Stuart:  So how, like, do the people in the village know what you are doing?

Girl:  Yeah

Stuart:  Do you get a lot of support from them?

Girl: yeah,  yeah   [hearty laughter?]  Yeah, we do

Stuart:  That must feel good for Chief Jacks too, he will be very proud of you guys.

Girl 3:  Except the first year  (164)?? [couldn?t make this out, but she was telling us about her son?s participation in the project..] Last year, our second year working and all the summer helping us.  Turned out just we at the beginning of summer and next thing you know they were able to get a youth ??? so he was able to work with us for the summer.  So he was out there with us doing the stream work and little bit of the shorekeepers he was able to do that and go back to school the following year and let everyone know what he did for the summer.  Everyone was happy, [F; yeah] everyone was happy for him here now because he is good artist  Brian and Donna asked him to do a logo for the Shorekeepers, he is a really good artist and everybody seen his work.  Everybody is happy for him, cuz he like he?s he likes to go out and explore, he is fourteen, he already had a good paying job for him already.  He was all happy about that.

Stuart:  that?s great. So he?s working again this year?  This summer?

Girl 3:  No, he is going to take the summer off, he is going to do school work, a couple of grades he failed. That?ll take some work.  He?s got school work for the summer.

Stuart:  So did his school work improve after he got involved the job?  Do you think it has an effect on that?

Girl 3:  I think he did get better in the science area because of the marine biologist.  He was at that time he was really into it.  Now he is exploring, the marine biologist moved back a bit. But He?s just exploring in different kind of areas.  Wants to become a chef, he know he has to start off as a dishwasher first, he?ll get there. [laughs]

Stuart:  Start at the bottom and work your way up.

Frances:  What kind of artwork does he do?

Girl 1:  Everything, native art and cartoon characters to dragons, everything

Frances:  I would think the environmental stuff he is doing for the creek would be good for his native art because he will see what the environment is like.

Girl 1:  Kristin Bill was the first lady who was with us, when we first started.  She is not here now.  But she did a drawing for us, and her drawings on T-shirts were the first  things we saw on the creeks when we first started.  It was a dragonfly, frog, bulrush, fish. [F: yeah] Got all that on a T-shirt.  After him seeing all that and y?know just trying to think of all the native designs and stuff that he could use, he is just trying really to focus on what kind of logo he shouls make for Shorekeepers because he was asked to do all those.

Stuart:  That is great, it is exciting how things can spin off.

Girls:  Yeah

Stuart:  So is there anything involved in the science that really kinda threw you for a loop or you found hard to understand?  I guess stream keeper can get fairly technical.

Girl 2:  I just find I am skimming through, fast learning really fast.

Stuart:  It is pretty straightforward

Girl 3:  I am grateful to the Streamkeepers.  Everything was all, we were all just doing a lot of work in the streams, doing the riffles, spawning beds and everything.  It was all hard labour but it was easy to do, going through the manuals and everything, everything just really fell into place.

Stuart:  I guess it makes a big difference when you?re reading and then just going and doing it.

Girls : It was actually doing it first  for sure

Girl 1:  Doing first, the reading is easier after

Girl 2:  We did some of the work first before we did the training.  Oh Ok now I know why.[laughs] 

Same with the Shorekeepers.  We did the reading and work at the same time.  At first I thought ?Oh my god, what am I getting myself into. [laughs] Sounded really complicated, [S: I know, when I read that stuff and I?m going ?whoa?, laughs] once we went out and did our first surveys, Oh this is easy, better going out and doing it rather than reading every little point of doing something. [laughs]

Stuart:  So do you guys, I am wondering about the names for things.   There are so many little bugs on the shore, birds and clams and everything.  How do you remember them all?

Girl 1:  Shapes, the clams, they all have different shapes Manilla, native little neck, bend nose, they all have different shapes.  Butter clams ??? clams and we eat them tastes ???? (226) list about four other different clams here – cannot make out the words?

laughter

Stuart:  I guess they have different tastes too.

Girl 1: yeah The cockles are very tough, a lot of people don?t like to eat the cockles, the best ones are the manilla and the little necks for steaming and the butter clams are good for frying  .

Stuart:  Just the name sounds good, [laugh]clams and butter

Girl 3:  In the eel grass we are just learning about ??? (232)

Girl 2:  Linda talked to us about it

Girl 3:  She didn?t show us

Girl 2:  No she never showed us

Girl 3:  She just named it and kinda moved on, didn?t explain it.  Now we are slowly getting, gettin? the hang of it

Stuart:  What is up with eel grass I hardly know anything about it.

Girl 3: Eel grass , it is ostracononica ( I do not have any idea what this word is or how to spell it)

Stuart:  So what kind of habitat is eel grass right now? Does ostracononica (again I have no idea what this word is) have and effect on that habitat.

Girl 1:  The eel grass is a good thing in this area right here.  What we do is we survey around the eel grass, the quadrant, we can?t dig in, because we need to save, all the sand and stuff comes up quite high.  So we can?t dig in when we are surveying the eel grass we just pretty much look and see what is growin and what kinds of species and stuff are within the eel grass.

Stuart:  Is there a species that are only found in the eel grass?

Girl 1:  The bubble snails. [laughs] There are little bubble snails about little this, and they are soft.  (laughter) They are cute little things.

Stuart:  Isn?t that a place for salmon fry as well, I always hear eel grass mentioned with salmon, young salmon hang out?

Girl 1:  Yeah, yeah I believe that is where they hang out until their next little stage.

Stuart:  So one thing I have been finding, when you are talking about stream cleaning and restoration and stuff, a lot of the issues, the stream work is the final step and a lot of the stuff that contributes to it is what the land use is around it.  Have you guys done much with that or been involved with any land owner contact? Or..

Girl 2:  Streamkeepers? Yeah? we had a big meeting in February with all the farmers and everybody that stays near the streams.

Girl 1:  Within the watershed

Girl 2: Yeah - and they are willing to work with us and the community.  They are very supportive.  We had a meeting with all of them so we can talk about what?s best and what we are doing in this area so everybody knew what was happening and what everyone else was doing with the different areas there.  So they had a better understanding.

Girl 3:  What they can cut down, what they can?t cut down near the streams.

Girl 1:  Cuz lots of people just  Swishhhhh

Stuart: yeah.. Get the backhoes in there.

Girl 2:  The stream needed the shade??

Stuart:  Have you done much work with the landowners yet, or is it..

Girls:  No

Stuart:  just at the meeting stage?

Girls:  Yip

Girl 2: Pengraves  we have worked with.  He is working with us doing the fencing to keep the cows out of the stream.  So he has helped us with the fencing, a lot of volunteering.

Stuart:  yeah, that?s great. That is great to hear a farmer helping.

Girl 2:  He is helping us with the asphalt as well.

Stuart:  With the trucking of it or?

Girl 2:  The, they are going to be getting the tractor in there to dig in what we can?t get. [laughs]

Girl 1:  I was happy with that, [laughs] ?Just bring that in here right now!!? [laughs].  That was one part of the job I didn?t like. [[laughing]

Stuart:  Pretty heavy, that is all asphalt from the airport.

Girls:  Yeah, they dumped it there, oil cans, cars.

Stuart: Where, where Whereabouts are all these things?

Girl 1:  On the other side of the Spitfire, the creek is in a field area there.  It was probably years ago that that asphalt was dumped there.  And they didn?t know what to do with it back then so...  Now they could recycle it. We just heard that. They can recycle that. Burn it and they reuse it.  They couldn?t do back then, 30 years ago.  Plus everything was so cheap, so they just? they throw it away and make a new one.

Stuart:  Do you have any E. coli problems in your creeks?

Girls:  No

Stuart:  So it is not a bacteria thing.  Is there much of a pollution thing or is it mainly silt or- ?

Girl 1:  Silt right at the mouth of creek, just the mouth of the creek but out further in the back there, it seems to be fine.

Stuart:  Do you have any trout in there or mainly salmon?

Girl 2: Salmon comes every year, they have been coming for years trying to go up that stream.

Stuart:  So what?s stopping them?

Girl 2:  The water is too shallow.

Stuart:  So how to you gonna plan getting more water in there.

Girl 2:   With riffles, it will make the water flow more down at the end, it will pool up more at the top.

Stuart:  Oh OK. Do you think they way they drain the land also has an effect on that.  I am just thinking about Hagen Creek like where I.. a big problem is that the flats used to be big wetlands and they just ditched it and drain it so in the summer time there is no water and the creek gets, I don?t know if you read in the paper that there were fish killed just last week, two weeks ago because the water was so low and they got duck weed or something.

Girl 1:  There was not enough oxygen there.

Stuart:  There was hardly any oxygen.  So I wonder, do you think there is anything like that going on in your creek?

Girl 3:  I know there isn?t enough oxygen towards the end because there isn?t enough flow at the mouth.  So my understanding next year we?re gonna start getting the second mouth part ready for fish coming back.  Spawning beds in and riffles.

Stuart: The nice thing about chum too is that they don?t need water in the summer time. So what are you going to do with the mouth of ummm T?en t?en  Creek?

Girl 1:  (Laughter)  We have lots of work to do there. [S: laughs] We?re at the first stage with T?en T?en.  This is the first year we have focused on that area.  Clearing so we have a lot more clearing to do.  Water quality, that mouth really needs taking takin? care of,  it is really black and that in the sand at the mouth.  You go walk out there and you will sink up to your knees.

Stuart:  Just sediment

Girl 1: Yip, that is from the gas, that there was a gas pump, fill up, and it got taken out of there and all that gas is just leaking into the ground, and leaking into the stream and going out into the ocean.

Stuart:  Great also there is also like 250 metres of culvert right at the mouth.

Girl 3:  mm?hmm - My understanding the airport is going to help with that.

Stuart:  I wonder what IOS is going to do.  I think it is kind of ironic they drain the whole wetland over here and build IOS on it. [G: I know] I have heard them talk about building little tubes with mirrors so that sunlight can go down through the tubes and flash into the culverts so fish think there?s sunlight

G: It?s too dark for them to come up. They were talking of fittin? some kind of thing to put some cracks in there?{v. poor sound}

Stuart:  Thinking about the names again, do you guys, you must know a whole bunch of names for things like clams, are the First Nations? names really common?  Do you know the names of the different clams in your language?

Girls:  No

Stuart:  Well not too many people know that?

Girl 2:  Well, Some of our children and stuff do, we kind of lost a little bit of that, but it is coming back, our language.  But that?s something that we are looking into, we are working with the children to identify things in our own language. That would be sencothen..

Stuart:  Do they teach that in tribal school?

Girl 2:  Yeah

Girl 3:  ????

Stuart:  The kids are starting to pick that up,  it won?t be long until ??

Girl 3:  I know some but  I don?t know all of them

Stuart:  I was thinking,  there are Latin names for the plants, common names and you guys know your names and all the history around those.  I am just guessing, but you would know what clam lives where and what that means ???? (236)  they must have all kinds of tie ins with the environment as well.  Do you guys, do they teach much of that at Shorekeepers? Like the clam uses indicators for anything?

Girl 3:  No, just ID them.

Girl 1:  Everything is coming down on us. [laughs] Here, here, here, here.   It?s been really busy in the past month, weeding, workshops, work, work.

Stuart:  Getting a bit tired.

Girl 1:  It?s just fun, learning new things.  All this week we are doing data entry.  Surveying all the sites we did, doing the data entry.

Stuart:  That is why you are having Peter ???.  I am kind of doing a database too. 

Girl 1:  Plus the lady that was suppose to help us this morning, her email address showed up just as we came down here, they had to show us how to get our email.

Girl 2:  Like she said ?Are you going to be here for a while.?  I said ?We have an interview?, and she said ?just a few minutes, just a few minutes?.  OK

(Laughter)

Stuart:  It happens all at once, doesn?t it.

Girl 3:  That the way things have been for a couple of weeks.

Stuart:  So what do you think of this constructed wetland that Ian is doing, do you think it is a good idea?  You know what I am talking about?

Girls:  No

Stuart:  Oh, OK. sorry, Ian is working with the Pendrays and they are going to take down some of the forest.

Girl 2:  Oh, that is where we had to do the clearing for the engineering

Stuart:  To do the surveying yeah

Girl 2:  All he got us to do was just do the clearing so they can do the, engineering

Girl 1:  The quadrants

Girl 2:  So the engineer can go in and do, but we didn?t know what for.

Frances:  Now you are going to ask him.

Laughter

Girl 1:  We are eventually going to know.

Stuart:  You are going to notice, oh there is no trees, you know.  They are planning on, I guess because it is a boggy area already, I can?t remember the whole story why, but it is kind of boggy area already and some of the trees are showing a little stress the alders are dying and stuff?.So they are going to cut down the trees and turn it into a constructed wetland. So they will probably means they will cut down the trees and they will let, I don?t know if they are going to do any dredging or anything so that the water collects there more, but they are going to, the idea is to create swampy area that will help store some water and clean out the water that is coming down from the farms and ditches and things.  So it is one more time just changing the environment.  I find those things really interesting because it is supposed to be for a good reason but yet they are doing the same thing again. Cutting things down, changing it, doing other experiments.

Girl 3:   ????? (282)

Stuart:  I guess that is about all.

Girl 2: ??????  blah blah blah  ????[laughter]

Frances:  You are just itching to get back at the data base right?

Stuart: Oh data entry, yay [laughter]

Girl 1:  We have a deadline for Friday.

Stuart:  Thanks a lot guys we really appreciate it.