Jackie,
Tanya, Chal Side A Stuart: I'll go over again what we are doing, I am doing a Ph.D. in grad school, in learning science by doing work, particularly in the community that is not involved in schools or institutions. How are people learning by doing things? how does science help you get through your life? y?know just average everyday stuff. So I have been working with the Hagan Creek Group, with Misty basically, and volunteering, and I have been learning an awful lot, watching, listening and taking notes of what the people have been doing. And so as the last kinda section of my little research project I have been doing interviews with people. So I thought well it would be nice to kinda get beyond the small group of people that I have know in the Hagen Creek Group and find some other people that have been involved in creek work and see how that, how the stuff that you have been doing has effected your lives and what you think you have learned, how valuable the experience has been to you. Girl 1: So we
are focusing more on the stream, is that what we are doing? Or Stuart: Or what else? Girl 1: We are kind of in two projects, we are
the Streamkeepers and we are into the Shorekeepers right now. Stuart: Either one, both. I am more interested in general
scientific stuff, it could be stream, it could be shore, it could be, science
from me is really, really broad,
it gets into almost everything, so?
Frances: It is more like a casual conversation
that we are having more than an interview session where we ask questions, so we
can go in whatever direction you want, it doesn?t matter. Talk about whatever you want. Stuart: People talk about their volunteering
activities in hospitals, in farms, people have talked about history,
whatever. So how did you guys get
involved in this? Girl I: Through the Tseycum Band Stuart: Through the Tseycum Band Girl 1: We started out with concerns about our
creek, on Tseycum Creek there. We
have two creeks, Tseycum creek is more by the village there and T?en t?en by the
airport there and that is where we came in working with the science, DFO with
Chief, he is the one that got us more involved. Frances: So what was the concerns then? Girl 1: The current concerns where that the
water quality, the water wasn?t very good at all. And a big concern was that we seen a fish come up our creek
there and so that?s where we wanted to get people working in there, checking
out the water quality,and.. Up
further up Tseycum creek the water was good there and it was just down by the
shore that it wasn?t very good. Stuart: OK Girl 1: From then on we started a project,
Streamkeepers, we were hired and went through training with Streamkeepers, it
was all new to us [S: right on] when we first started out. And we.. the first thing we
started building four pool riffles, and spawning areas in those areas because
the water quality was good there. Stuart: What kind of salmon, this was for
salmon not trout right, the spawning areas, was it for coho or chum. Girl 2: It was for chum about 100,000 frys has
been put in, [F: oh wow] in the past two years, more this year. Stuart: And you starting seeing your first chum
back in two years, two more years? Girl 1: Yeah. So that?s going to be exciting,
seeing how many will come back. [laugh] Stuart: And use your gravel. [G1/G2: laugh] So
guys started working with Chris Girl 1: Yes Chris Parks. The first summer. We haven?t been working with
Streamkeepers too much. G2: Not right
into the creek but other areas within the creek. Stuart: So what are you involved with now. Girl 2: We are with Shorekeepers. Stuart: So like we did what we did Girl 2: Survey, inner tidal, things like
that. Re-surveyed what we did last
year there was some sites we went back to re-survey to see if there was uhh a
change, in a few areas we did there was a change four habitat in four different
areas. Stuart: That is neat Frances: It is neat to see stuff happening
because what you have been involved with.
Changes and stuff. Girls: Yeah Girl 2: The plan was with uhh Streamkeepers,
umm part of the vision was to start working on those two creeks. And uhh for the future when we can have
those fish coming back up because the history was with those two creeks that it
was that they had a little big house built there at one time and a lot of our
ancestors use to use those creeks for washing clothes, water and different
things. And um [ceremonies]
ceremonies, there was ceremonies in that location so what we wanted to do was
to bring back a lot of that life that was there. And it was the start when us ladies started working on those
two creeks. Girl 1: It was a really good feeling being back
in that area. Stuart: I was going to say that must feel great
knowing that you are tying back in with your history. [G: mm hmm}You guys are getting involved with something with
Ian right now? Girls 3: Yes, Streamkeepers Stuart: As Streamkeepers, so what is that going
to be, can you tell me about that?
Something with IOS and Brian Smiley and all those guys. I?ve just heard little bits and pieces. Girl 2: We are working with Ian as
Shorekeepers, Brian Smiley are?.yeah, for Shorekeepers. Stuart: Are you involved in his wetland
reconstruction stuff at all? Girl 1: Not too much we are in different areas
with umm Ian right now. Like say
fencing we have did, [laughs] G2: fencing,
asphalt, taking a lot of asphalt out of the creek out towards the airport,
there. T?en Ten airport. Went back
there and discovered there was tons of asphalt in the creek, so that was one
thing that we were doing was taking a lot
of it out. Frances: Definitely hands on [laughter] G2: Yes,
exactly, it was like whoa hoe! [everyone laughs] Girl 3; It was leaving like it was like a
pollution Stuart: I wonder where they take it to, or do
they just burn it. Girl 3: They haven?t done anything with it yet,
it is still there. Stuart: Oh, it is still there. Girl 3: (63) ?????? water there, it is just a pile Girl 1: There is a lot of clearing, a lot of
clearing that we did taking all that out of the creek. Between Streamkeepers and Shorekeepers
it is like ! [laughter] a lot of back and forth Girl 2: We need you here we need you there! Girl 1: So we said, we need a schedule,
[laughing] so know there is a schedule for us. [laughs] Now we can make demands
[laughing] Girl 2: Cuz uh it was some days it was just you
are here, you are there, and it was Stuart: So you have a whole bunch on things on
the go all the time Girls: Yeah we do Stuart: What are some of the other things you
do, pullin? asphalt Girl 2: Clean the T?en t?en Creek, like
all the blackberries, [S; right on] cleared that out and then we planted native
shrubs and native plants. Stuart: Where abouts? Girl 2: T?en t?en Creek Stuart: Where abouts in T?en t?en Girl 1: Right at the mouth of the creek there. Stuart: Right by West Saanich Road there? Girl 1: On the west side Stuart: That
is a big job. (laughter) There are
a lot of blackberries there. Girl 3: At first we thought, we are not going
to make it here. One day we all
went swish, swish, swish, cut it all down. Took it out and planted Girl 1: Roots and all. It was a very good feeling after we got
all the blackberries out and pulled the roots out and raked the area so it was
a total clear area we got to plant rose bushes and all the native plants so
once we got them all planted we were like whoa we did a good job here.
[laughing] Girl 2: They are that small, now they are
getting to that big. Stuart: So they are doing well? Girls: Yeah Stuart: Do you have to water them right now? Girls: Yeah Stuart: For the first year or two. Frances: Are you taking photo of all of
this, or videos? [G: yeah] I hope so. Girls: Yeah, Ian took a picture before, and as
it was growing. Stuart: Have you guys done any educating of
kids? Went to schools or
anything? Girl 2: We did one with Shorekeepers in Ross
Bay, junior Shorekeepers. Stuart:
Junior shorekeepers So what was that like? Girl 3: It was fun, [S: laughs a ?knowing?
laugh] it was a lot of fun for us but like there was only five or six students
that were really into it but as for the rest they were just like [la de da Frances: You were doing [really well if you had
five or six OK, I?m a classroom teacher, I know. [lots of laughter..] G: out of the
whole. Out of all of that whole class. Stuart: How many were in that class, like
thirty odd? Girl 3: About there yeah, about 20 and 30, we
had two different classes Stuart: Ok,
yeah.. I find the same, most kids, are like ?oh I?m outside..? Girl 1: The first day went really well, like a
lot of kids were really interested in writing and... Stuart: So did you get them making quadrants
and all that stuff? Girls: Yeah Stuart: Any survey Girl 3: Slope and elevation. Treasure Hunt. Stuart: What were they looking for? Girl 2: We were separated between different
ones, the guy who did the treasure hunt, he did that by himself Girl 1: It was an area where there was a lot of
species and different habitat and stuff there. So it was pretty much ?what I can see? so they would go and
find it and ?hey what?s this?. [laugh] That was the fun part for them. Stuart: I guess the surveying would be the
boring part. Girl 1:
[laughs] Then next week we would
start 18 always for a good three weeks, we?re gonna be teaching the Tseycum band were we are from, we
would be teaching, forest, ecology, and um Streamkeepers, Shorekeepers, [S; wow
F: that?s great] And it?s gonna,
it?s a training for us in that we could? because we?re gonna be the ones that
are going to be training people for Shorekeepers, so it?s going to be
experience for us because we really haven?t spoken. Stuart: You have done it a fair amount [G:
yeah, yeah] but you haven?t taught people yet. [G: yeah] Wow, that?ll be great.
Frances: Once you get into it, [G: yeah] because
you?ve all the experience behind you now, once you start talking, [G: yeah] you
get into your own stories about what you do, and all that kinda thing [G yeah]
is what everyone wants to hear. Girl 1: Me I couldn?t ???? (106) Stuart: So you think the kids?ll be interested? Girl 1: I think they would, yeah, there is a
group of seven from age twelve to fifteen years old, they are on the cycle youth summer program right now
and we?ve kind of got them involved in a little bit of what we are doing in
this area. Because they are our
younger generation too and later on they are going to continue on with
Streamkeepers, and we?ll have some out there taking care of those fish. Same with the beach area. Girl 2: Hopefully getting them interested. Frances: So you went through training, like I?m
new to this project so I am just finding out all the background stuff that is
going on? who did your training and what kind of things did you have
before? Like how, cuz I don?t know
anywhere, Do you have a science background or did you just have an interest? Girl 2: I had an interest and it is pretty much
learning hands on experience right now, we?ll be continuing on with school in
September, we?ll get to go to school 2 1/2 days a week, upgrading, schooling
there? Math, English. Hopefully it
will take us 1 1/2, 2 years then we will be able to train, we will do a lot of
side courses, workshops, meeting a lot of scientists, learning more about eco
(121) and stuff, just learning about things that will help us. Stuart: Sounds like a great program, just to be
able to hang out with scientists. Girl 1: It is Stuart: You pick up so much just being with
them. Girl 1: It started out like ?a job? when we
first started and it is just like a child, you know, grabbed our interest and
we were interested. It was a place where we grew up, the beach, we were always
down the beach when we were kids.
We grew up in this area out in the forest, by the streams, you know that
was our little playground and stuff.
Yeah, let?s go see what?s out here, wander around out there, see what we
can see y?know There was eagles,
there was hawks, little squirrels, y?know. All the little animals out there. Girl 2: It?s just, It?s all natural to me, I
love the area, I love being outside. [laughs] What better can you get. Stuart: Sounds pretty sweet. Girl 3: Ian is the one that brought in that we
should be not just working, but work our way up and be able to train
people. At first this year we
thought we were just going to be doing the work. And he brought it on that we should further our education
and be able to supervise and train. Stuart: What do you think, obviously you think
guys think that that?s pretty good. Girl 3: I do. Girl 1: It is a great opportunity, with the
Shorekeepers it is, there is a lot of people who are interested in title,
survey title, it is kind of going all over the world there. [laughs] So many
people are interested in it.
Shorekeepers is coming out Stuart: It?s going to be important more and
more with all the restoration that is going to have to go on. Shores and streams. So what kind of knowledge did you have
before you started about the stream. Y?know about the animals and stuff like
that? Girl 2: I didn?t know too much at all and they
said we were going to be cleaning the creek, it was like Ohh, OK we can take
logs and everything all out o? there. You know it?s like we didn?t know too
much at all. [laughs] I figured we would take garbage and all that out of
there, but I learned a lot what has to stay in that creek and why and how to
protect and?. Girl 3: Char and I spend a good 2 –2 1/2
weeks taking ivy, ivy off the trees so that the trees could grow again. Instead of planting a tree and waiting
30 years for it to come back or it to grow up. Stuart: If it didn?t get choked by the ivy first.
Yeah, so that?s cool. So that was on..on? Girl 1: Tseycum Creek Stuart:
Tseycum Creek, right. That?s a good idea, yeah, that stuff gets all over the
place. Girl 3: There was approximately 60 trees that
we took it off. Little trees to
big trees Stuart: Did you have to get like ladders or
just cut the roots off? Girl 3: Just cut them off at the bottom and
pulled them off away from the tree, most of it. Most of it we just pulled off away from the tree, and we
cleared it away so it wouldn?t grow again. This year we saw what we missed. Frances:
[laughs] Oh great Girl 3: see some green was there but we got
most of them Stuart: Oh good, it must feel satisfying? Girl 1:
[laughs] Then after people finding out about that you could see them walking
down our trail there and they were starting picking ivy off the trees. Frances: On West Saanich Road there, interesting Girl 1: Now you can see all the ivy has brown
leaves. Stuart: Oh,
Right on Girl 3: Glad people were reading about us. Frances: That?s great yeah Stuart: So how, like, do the people in the
village know what you are doing? Girl: Yeah Stuart: Do you get a lot of support from them? Girl:
yeah, yeah [hearty laughter?] Yeah, we do Stuart: That must feel good for Chief Jacks
too, he will be very proud of you guys. Girl 3: Except the first year (164)?? [couldn?t make this out, but
she was telling us about her son?s participation in the project..] Last year,
our second year working and all the summer helping us. Turned out just we at the beginning of
summer and next thing you know they were able to get a youth ??? so he was able
to work with us for the summer. So
he was out there with us doing the stream work and little bit of the
shorekeepers he was able to do that and go back to school the following year
and let everyone know what he did for the summer. Everyone was happy, [F; yeah] everyone was happy for him
here now because he is good artist
Brian and Donna asked him to do a logo for the Shorekeepers, he is a
really good artist and everybody seen his work. Everybody is happy for him, cuz he like he?s he likes to go
out and explore, he is fourteen, he already had a good paying job for him
already. He was all happy about
that. Stuart: that?s great. So he?s working again
this year? This summer? Girl 3: No, he is going to take the summer off,
he is going to do school work, a couple of grades he failed. That?ll take some
work. He?s got school work for the
summer. Stuart: So did his school work improve after he
got involved the job? Do you think
it has an effect on that? Girl 3: I think he did get better in the
science area because of the marine biologist. He was at that time he was really into it. Now he is exploring, the marine
biologist moved back a bit. But He?s just exploring in different kind of
areas. Wants to become a chef, he
know he has to start off as a dishwasher first, he?ll get there. [laughs] Stuart: Start at the bottom and work your way
up. Frances: What kind of artwork does he do? Girl 1: Everything, native art and cartoon
characters to dragons, everything Frances: I would think the environmental stuff
he is doing for the creek would be good for his native art because he will see
what the environment is like. Girl 1: Kristin Bill was the first lady who was
with us, when we first started.
She is not here now. But
she did a drawing for us, and her drawings on T-shirts were the first things we saw on the creeks when we
first started. It was a dragonfly,
frog, bulrush, fish. [F: yeah] Got all that on a T-shirt. After him seeing all that and y?know
just trying to think of all the native designs and stuff that he could use, he
is just trying really to focus on what kind of logo he shouls make for
Shorekeepers because he was asked to do all those. Stuart: That is great, it is exciting how
things can spin off. Girls: Yeah Stuart: So is there anything involved in the
science that really kinda threw you for a loop or you found hard to
understand? I guess stream keeper
can get fairly technical. Girl 2: I just find I am skimming through, fast
learning really fast. Stuart: It is pretty straightforward Girl 3: I am grateful to the
Streamkeepers. Everything was all,
we were all just doing a lot of work in the streams, doing the riffles,
spawning beds and everything. It
was all hard labour but it was easy to do, going through the manuals and
everything, everything just really fell into place. Stuart: I guess it makes a big difference when
you?re reading and then just going and doing it. Girls : It
was actually doing it first for
sure Girl 1: Doing first, the reading is easier
after Girl 2: We did some of the work first before we
did the training. Oh Ok now I know
why.[laughs] Same with the
Shorekeepers. We did the reading
and work at the same time. At
first I thought ?Oh my god, what am I getting myself into. [laughs] Sounded
really complicated, [S: I know, when I read that stuff and I?m going ?whoa?,
laughs] once we went out and did our first surveys, Oh this is easy, better
going out and doing it rather than reading every little point of doing
something. [laughs] Stuart: So do you guys, I am wondering about
the names for things. There
are so many little bugs on the shore, birds and clams and everything. How do you remember them all? Girl 1: Shapes, the clams, they all have
different shapes Manilla, native little neck, bend nose, they all have
different shapes. Butter clams ???
clams and we eat them tastes ???? (226) list about four other different clams
here – cannot make out the words? laughter Stuart: I guess they have different tastes too. Girl 1: yeah
The cockles are very tough, a lot of people don?t like to eat the cockles, the
best ones are the manilla and the little necks for steaming and the butter
clams are good for frying . Stuart: Just the name sounds good, [laugh]clams
and butter Girl 3: In the eel grass we are just learning
about ??? (232) Girl 2: Linda talked to us about it Girl 3: She didn?t show us Girl 2: No she never showed us Girl 3: She just named it and kinda moved on,
didn?t explain it. Now we are
slowly getting, gettin? the hang of it Stuart: What is up with eel grass I hardly know
anything about it. Girl 3: Eel
grass , it is ostracononica ( I do not have any idea what this word is
or how to spell it) Stuart: So what kind of habitat is eel grass
right now? Does ostracononica (again I have no idea what this word is)
have and effect on that habitat. Girl 1: The eel grass is a good thing in this
area right here. What we do is we
survey around the eel grass, the quadrant, we can?t dig in, because we need to
save, all the sand and stuff comes up quite high. So we can?t dig in when we are surveying the eel grass we
just pretty much look and see what is growin and what kinds of species and
stuff are within the eel grass. Stuart: Is there a species that are only found
in the eel grass? Girl 1: The bubble snails. [laughs] There are
little bubble snails about little this, and they are soft. (laughter) They are cute little things. Stuart: Isn?t that a place for salmon fry as
well, I always hear eel grass mentioned with salmon, young salmon hang out? Girl 1: Yeah, yeah I believe that is where they
hang out until their next little stage. Stuart: So one thing I have been finding, when
you are talking about stream cleaning and restoration and stuff, a lot of the
issues, the stream work is the final step and a lot of the stuff that
contributes to it is what the land use is around it. Have you guys done much with that or been involved with any
land owner contact? Or.. Girl 2: Streamkeepers? Yeah? we had a big
meeting in February with all the farmers and everybody that stays near the
streams. Girl 1: Within the watershed Girl 2: Yeah
- and they are willing to work with us and the community. They are very supportive. We had a meeting with all of them so we
can talk about what?s best and what we are doing in this area so everybody knew
what was happening and what everyone else was doing with the different areas
there. So they had a better understanding. Girl 3: What they can cut down, what they can?t
cut down near the streams. Girl 1: Cuz lots of people just Swishhhhh Stuart:
yeah.. Get the backhoes in there. Girl 2: The stream needed the shade?? Stuart: Have you done much work with the
landowners yet, or is it.. Girls: No Stuart: just at the meeting stage? Girls: Yip Girl 2:
Pengraves we have worked
with. He is working with us doing
the fencing to keep the cows out of the stream. So he has helped us with the fencing, a lot of volunteering. Stuart: yeah, that?s great. That is great to
hear a farmer helping. Girl 2: He is helping us with the asphalt as
well. Stuart: With the trucking of it or? Girl 2: The, they are going to be getting the
tractor in there to dig in what we can?t get. [laughs] Girl 1: I was happy with that, [laughs] ?Just
bring that in here right now!!? [laughs].
That was one part of the job I didn?t like. [[laughing] Stuart: Pretty heavy, that is all asphalt from
the airport. Girls: Yeah, they dumped it there, oil cans,
cars. Stuart:
Where, where Whereabouts are all these things? Girl 1: On the other side of the Spitfire, the
creek is in a field area there. It
was probably years ago that that asphalt was dumped there. And they didn?t know what to do with it
back then so... Now they could
recycle it. We just heard that. They can recycle that. Burn it and they reuse
it. They couldn?t do back then, 30
years ago. Plus everything was so
cheap, so they just? they throw it away and make a new one. Stuart: Do you have any E. coli problems in
your creeks? Girls: No Stuart: So it is not a bacteria thing. Is there much of a pollution thing or
is it mainly silt or- ? Girl 1: Silt right at the mouth of creek, just
the mouth of the creek but out further in the back there, it seems to be fine. Stuart: Do you have any trout in there or
mainly salmon? Girl 2:
Salmon comes every year, they have been coming for years trying to go up that
stream. Stuart: So what?s stopping them? Girl 2: The water is too shallow. Stuart: So how to you gonna plan getting more
water in there. Girl 2: With riffles, it will make the
water flow more down at the end, it will pool up more at the top. Stuart: Oh OK. Do you think they way they drain
the land also has an effect on that.
I am just thinking about Hagen Creek like where I.. a big problem is
that the flats used to be big wetlands and they just ditched it and drain it so
in the summer time there is no water and the creek gets, I don?t know if you
read in the paper that there were fish killed just last week, two weeks ago
because the water was so low and they got duck weed or something. Girl 1: There was not enough oxygen there. Stuart: There was hardly any oxygen. So I wonder, do you think there is
anything like that going on in your creek? Girl 3: I know there isn?t enough oxygen
towards the end because there isn?t enough flow at the mouth. So my understanding next year we?re
gonna start getting the second mouth part ready for fish coming back. Spawning beds in and riffles. Stuart: The
nice thing about chum too is that they don?t need water in the summer time. So
what are you going to do with the mouth of ummm T?en t?en Creek? Girl 1: (Laughter) We have lots of work to do there. [S: laughs] We?re at the
first stage with T?en T?en.
This is the first year we have focused on that area. Clearing so we have a lot more clearing
to do. Water quality, that mouth
really needs taking takin? care of,
it is really black and that in the sand at the mouth. You go walk out there and you will sink
up to your knees. Stuart: Just sediment Girl 1: Yip,
that is from the gas, that there was a gas pump, fill up, and it got taken out
of there and all that gas is just leaking into the ground, and leaking into the
stream and going out into the ocean. Stuart: Great also there is also like 250
metres of culvert right at the mouth. Girl 3: mm?hmm - My understanding the airport
is going to help with that. Stuart: I wonder what IOS is going to do. I think it is kind of ironic they drain
the whole wetland over here and build IOS on it. [G: I know] I have heard them
talk about building little tubes with mirrors so that sunlight can go down
through the tubes and flash into the culverts so fish think there?s sunlight G: It?s too
dark for them to come up. They were talking of fittin? some kind of thing to
put some cracks in there?{v. poor sound} Stuart: Thinking about the names again, do you
guys, you must know a whole bunch of names for things like clams, are the First
Nations? names really common? Do
you know the names of the different clams in your language? Girls: No Stuart: Well not too many people know that? Girl 2: Well, Some of our children and stuff
do, we kind of lost a little bit of that, but it is coming back, our
language. But that?s something
that we are looking into, we are working with the children to identify things
in our own language. That would be sencothen.. Stuart: Do they teach that in tribal school? Girl 2: Yeah Girl 3: ???? Stuart: The kids are starting to pick that
up, it won?t be long until ?? Girl 3: I know some but I don?t know all of them Stuart: I was thinking, there are Latin names for the plants,
common names and you guys know your names and all the history around those. I am just guessing, but you would know
what clam lives where and what that means ???? (236) they must have all kinds of tie ins with the environment as
well. Do you guys, do they teach
much of that at Shorekeepers? Like the clam uses indicators for anything? Girl 3: No, just ID them. Girl 1: Everything is coming down on us.
[laughs] Here, here, here, here.
It?s been really busy in the past month, weeding, workshops, work, work. Stuart: Getting a bit tired. Girl 1: It?s just fun, learning new
things. All this week we are doing
data entry. Surveying all the
sites we did, doing the data entry. Stuart: That is why you are having Peter
???. I am kind of doing a database
too. Girl 1: Plus the lady that was suppose to help
us this morning, her email address showed up just as we came down here, they
had to show us how to get our email. Girl 2: Like she said ?Are you going to be here
for a while.? I said ?We have an
interview?, and she said ?just a few minutes, just a few minutes?. OK (Laughter) Stuart: It happens all at once, doesn?t it. Girl 3: That the way things have been for a couple
of weeks. Stuart: So what do you think of this
constructed wetland that Ian is doing, do you think it is a good idea? You know what I am talking about? Girls: No Stuart: Oh, OK. sorry, Ian is working with the Pendrays
and they are going to take down some of the forest. Girl 2: Oh, that is where we had to do the
clearing for the engineering Stuart: To do the surveying yeah Girl 2: All he got us to do was just do the
clearing so they can do the, engineering Girl 1: The quadrants Girl 2: So the engineer can go in and do, but
we didn?t know what for. Frances: Now you are going to ask him. Laughter Girl 1: We are eventually going to know. Stuart: You are going to notice, oh there is no
trees, you know. They are planning
on, I guess because it is a boggy area already, I can?t remember the whole
story why, but it is kind of boggy area already and some of the trees are
showing a little stress the alders are dying and stuff?.So they are going to
cut down the trees and turn it into a constructed wetland. So they will
probably means they will cut down the trees and they will let, I don?t know if
they are going to do any dredging or anything so that the water collects there
more, but they are going to, the idea is to create swampy area that will help store
some water and clean out the water that is coming down from the farms and
ditches and things. So it is one
more time just changing the environment.
I find those things really interesting because it is supposed to be for
a good reason but yet they are doing the same thing again. Cutting things down,
changing it, doing other experiments. Girl 3: ????? (282) Stuart: I guess that is about all. Girl 2:
?????? blah blah blah ????[laughter] Frances: You are just itching to get back at the
data base right? Stuart: Oh
data entry, yay [laughter] Girl 1: We have a deadline for Friday. Stuart: Thanks a lot guys we really appreciate
it. |
Stuart is setting up the interview
setting up the present event as interview, providing a framing for participants to evaluate after the fact whether what they have been doing corresponds to what the "plan" has described. |